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techAdmin
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It's a 'feature' of some apt tool, those who have seen this, PLEASE SHOW HERE:

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dpgk -l | grep apt


so we can figure it out once and for all.

This is not a default behavior as far as I know, it only becomes a default if you install a certain apt package.
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sedonix
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sid updated as of now.
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shadow@gdot:~$ dpkg -l | grep apt
ii  apt                                         0.7.25.3                   Advanced front-end for dpkg
ii  apt-utils                                   0.7.25.3                   APT utility programs
ii  ksnapshot                                   4:4.3.4-1+b1               screen capture tool for KDE 4
ii  libapt-pkg-perl                             0.1.24                     Perl interface to libapt-pkg
ii  libpcap0.8                                  1.1.1-2                    system interface for user-level packet captu
ii  libraptor1                                  1.4.21-2                   Raptor RDF parser and serializer library
ii  synaptic                                    0.63.1                     Graphical package manager
shadow@gdot:~$

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techAdmin
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Also, I should ask, are you using apt-get or aptitude?

The package list seems to not have any of the packages I had in mind.

But at least we have learned that 'q' is the magic escape word, why they cannot print that simple fact for users in the information screen is utterly beyond me. The utter failure in usability here is really astounding, and is totally inexcusable, ie, I don't care what excuse or explanation is offered, this is how to lose people, not how to welcome them. Debian should decide which they want, if the former, then stop complaining about Ubuntu, if the latter, stop implementing such bizarre features in this way.
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sedonix
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I use apt-get, smxi & synaptic. Please spare me any comments on my choices. I have been using all for years WITHOUT any problems and I update EVERY day. Thanks secipolla for the Q. I can't believe I missed pounding on the Q key.
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As long as I have your attention, I believe you can take the update warning off off smxi. Some of the debian servers were being worked on
and all seems to be OK for the last 3 days in the U.S. The rest of the planet, I didn't check.
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heh, sedonix, don't confuse me with the sidux guys, you have been using tools that work for you for years, and that is proof that they work for you.

I was referring to the decision to not put a clear text message to hit 'q' to continue as a problem re usability, period.

By the way, just slightly off -topic, after I quit sidux, I realized that all general claims re methods, correctness, etc, by the sidux team members had to be considered as unverified statements which could be either false, partially true, or true. So one has to verify for oneself what is true.

Personally I switched to aptitude because it meets my needs better, and it's definitely better at handling certain complex scenarios than straight apt-get, and it also is what Debian tends to recommend, so I'm fine with it.

However, just for old time's sake: synaptic?!!! are you crazy, you will be banned from these forums if you ever mention that application again.

Ok, now I feel better... your bizarre notion to trust your own experience and intelligence as a user though, I don't know, that is not something I can condone.

The warning was for some unidentified package break yesterday, but I heard the package was fixed in 32 bit yesterday, so it's probably fine in 64 bit now, so I'll remove it.
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I'm old and can't get too fancy. I can enter all the repos in synaptic and one click on/off them as needed. I can pin anything with one click. Everything you ever wanted to know about the 25,000+ Debian pkg's is one click away and filed within categories. It lets you know about broken packages, dependencies, recommended pkg's. When it is lacking, it's smxi time! Who are these "sidux guys"? I never "hoid" of them says a native New Yorker!
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here is my output:

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inspiron:/home/jiro# dpkg -l | grep apt
ii  apt                                    0.7.25.3                   Advanced front-end for dpkg
ii  apt-listchanges                        2.84                       package change history notification tool
ii  apt-utils                              0.7.25.3                   APT utility programs
ii  apt-xapian-index                       0.26                       maintenance tools for a Xapian index of Debi
ii  aptdaemon                              0.11+bzr343-1              transaction based package management service
ii  aptitude                               0.6.1.5-3                  terminal-based package manager (terminal int
ii  laptop-detect                          0.13.7                     attempt to detect a laptop
ii  libopencore-amrnb0                     0.1.2-1                    Adaptive Multi Rate speech codec - shared li
ii  libopencore-amrwb0                     0.1.2-1                    Adaptive Multi-Rate - Wideband speech codec
ii  libpcap0.8                             1.1.1-2                    system interface for user-level packet captu
ii  libraptor1                             1.4.21-2                   Raptor RDF parser and serializer library
ii  python-apt                             0.7.94.2                   Python interface to libapt-pkg
ii  python-aptdaemon                       0.11+bzr343-1              Python module for the server and client of a
ii  python-aptdaemon-gtk                   0.11+bzr343-1              Python GTK+ widgets to run an aptdaemon clie
ii  synaptic                               0.63.1                     Graphical package manager

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apt-listchanges is the culprit I believe, remove it.

That is the cause I think of that particular message. I couldn't remember the name, but I think that's it.

As sedonix notes however, 'q' will quit the message, I think.

But just get rid of the listchanges thing, it's useless anyway.
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jiro
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thx, i removed apt-listchanges. i hope this fixes it - but i will know for sure in another couple of weeks - when i will again try a big d-u
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