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Not many Ubuntu fans around here, me neither. But.....kde 3.5.10 has been repackaged for newer Ubuntus and currently works in Debian Squeeze. Maybe sid?
It doesn't seem to interfere with Debian packages, installs to /opt/kde3. I suppose one could compile kde3 and put it there (sounds painful) It seems not possible to just enable lenny repo and install kde3 now. At least this project has a maintainer, although it seems to officially support Ubuntu only. I read it can co-exist with kde4 probably whatever other WM
I saw no squeeze stuff getting removed but can't be sure how safe it is
I put it on a fresh squeeze install with lxde set up already. I can now choose kde3 from gdm and it seems to work normally. No excessive cpu or ram hogging apparent..
Dependencies I had to do manually: (I do not want ubuntu apt repos, will likely trash squeeze)
(launchpad-integration requires it, squeeze version OK))
:: Code ::apt-get install lsb-release
(download this from ubuntu. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/0.1.24/+build/951809/+files/launchpad-integration_0.1.24_all.deb Nothing will install without but seems to do no harm to squeeze )
:: Code ::dpkg -i launchpad-integration_0.1.24_all.deb
Add to apt sources (this is the source for kde3 stuff ONLY):
deb ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
:: Code ::apt-get update
:: Code ::apt-cache search ubuntu
shows what is available,seems like most of it. Everything has a -kde3 suffix (so no compatability issues with kde4)
:: Code ::apt-cache search kde3
This shows what I installed here :
:: Code ::dzz@squeeze:~$ dpkg -l | grep ubuntu
ii akregator-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 RSS feed aggregator for KDE
ii ark-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3 graphical archiving tool for KDE3
ii exiv2-kde3 0.17-0ubuntu2 EXIF/IPTC metadata manipulation tool [KDE3]
ii k3b-data-kde3 1.0.5-4ubuntu2 A sophisticated KDE CD burning application - data files
ii k3b-kde3 1.0.5-4ubuntu2 A sophisticated KDE CD burning application [KDE3]
ii kaddressbook-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE NG addressbook application
ii kaffeine-kde3 0.8.6-0ubuntu6 versatile media player for KDE3
ii kamera-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 digital camera io_slave for Konqueror
ii kappfinder-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 non-KDE application finder for KDE
ii kate-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 advanced text editor for KDE
ii kcontrol-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 control center for KDE
ii kcron-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3 the KDE3 crontab editor
ii kde-style-qtcurve-kde3 0.55.2-1ubuntu8 This is a set of widget styles for KDE3 based apps
ii kdeartwork-emoticons-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 emoticon collections for KDE chat clients
ii kdeartwork-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 themes, styles and more from the official KDE3 release
ii kdeartwork-misc-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 various multimedia goodies released with KDE
ii kdeartwork-style-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 widget styles released with KDE3
ii kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 icon themes released with KDE3
ii kdeartwork-theme-window-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 window decoration themes released with KDE3
ii kdebase-data-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 shared data files for the KDE base module
ii kdebase-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 base components from the official KDE release
ii kdebase-kde3-bin 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 core binaries for the KDE base module
ii kdebase-kio-plugins-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 core I/O slaves for KDE
ii kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 Shared common files for KDE3 and KDE4
ii kdegraphics-kfile-plugins-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 KDE metainfo plugins for graphic files
ii kdelibs-data-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu12 core shared data for all KDE applications
ii kdelibs-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu12 core libraries from the official KDE release
ii kdelibs4c2a-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu12 core libraries and binaries for all KDE applications
ii kdemultimedia-kio-plugins-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror
ii kdepasswd-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 password changer for KDE
ii kdepim-kio-plugins-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 pim I/O Slaves
ii kdepim-kresources-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 pim resource plugins
ii kdeprint-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 print system for KDE
ii kdesktop-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 miscellaneous binaries and files for the KDE desktop
ii kdesudo-kde3 4:2.5.1-4ubuntu0 sudo frontend for KDE3
ii kdewallpapers-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 wallpapers released with KDE3
ii kdf-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3 disk space utility for KDE3
ii kdirstat-kde3 2.4.4-1ubuntu0 graphical disk usage display with cleanup facilities [K
ii kdm-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 X display manager for KDE
ii kfind-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 file-find utility for KDE
ii kget-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu2 download manager for KDE3
ii kghostview-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 PostScript viewer for KDE3
ii khelpcenter-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 help center for KDE
ii kicker-applets-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 applets for Kicker, the KDE3 panel
ii kicker-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 desktop panel for KDE
ii kio-locate-kde3 0.4.5-1ubuntu4 kio-slave for the locate command [KDE3]
ii kipi-plugins-kde3 0.1.5-1ubuntu2 image manipulation/handling plugins for KIPI aware prog
ii klipper-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 clipboard utility for KDE3
ii kmail-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 Email client
ii kmenuedit-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 menu editor for KDE
ii kmix-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 sound mixer applet for KDE3
ii konq-plugins-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 plugins for Konqueror, the KDE3 file/web/doc browser
ii konqueror-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document v
ii konqueror-nsplugins-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 Netscape plugin support for Konqueror
ii konsole-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 X terminal emulator for KDE
ii kooka-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 scanner program for KDE3
ii korganizer-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 personal organizer
ii kpager-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 desktop pager for KDE
ii kpersonalizer-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 installation personalizer for KDE
ii kregexpeditor-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3 graphical regular expression editor plugin for KDE3
ii kscreensaver-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 additional screen savers released with KDE3
ii kscreensaver-xsavers-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 KDE3 hooks for standard xscreensavers
ii ksmserver-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 session manager for KDE
ii ksplash-engine-moodin-kde3 0.4.2-1ubuntu4 fading splash screen engine for KDE3
ii ksplash-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 the KDE splash screen
ii ksysguard-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 system guard for KDE
ii ksysguardd-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 system guard daemon for KDE
ii ktip-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 useful tips for KDE
ii ktorrent-kde3 2.2.5-1ubuntu0 BitTorrent client for KDE3
ii kuser-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu3 KDE3 user/group administration tool
ii kwin-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 the KDE window manager
ii kwin-style-crystal-kde3 1.0.5-0ubuntu3 semi transparant window decoration for KDE3
ii libarts1c2a-kde3 1.5.10-0ubuntu3 aRts sound system core components
ii libartsc0-kde3 1.5.10-0ubuntu3 aRts sound system C support library
ii libexiv2-4-kde3 0.17-0ubuntu2 EXIF/IPTC metadata manipulation library [KDE3]
ii libk3b3-extracodecs-kde3 1.0.5-4ubuntu2 The KDE cd burning application library - extra decoders
ii libk3b3-kde3 1.0.5-4ubuntu2 The KDE cd burning application library - runtime files
ii libkcal2b-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 calendaring library
ii libkcddb1-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 CDDB library for KDE3
ii libkdcraw3-kde3 0.1.4-0ubuntu3 Raw picture decoding C++ library (runtime) [KDE3]
ii libkdepim1a-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 PIM library
ii libkexiv2-3-kde3 0.1.7-0ubuntu4 Qt like interface for the libexiv2 library (runtime) [K
ii libkleopatra1-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE GnuPG interface libraries
ii libkmime2-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 MIME interface library
ii libkonq4-kde3 4:3.5.10-2ubuntu11 core libraries for Konqueror
ii libkpimexchange1-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 PIM Exchange library
ii libkpimidentities1-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 PIM user identity information library
ii libkscan1-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 scanner library for KDE3
ii libksieve0-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 mail/news message filtering library
ii libktnef1-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 Library for handling KTNEF email attachments
ii libmimelib1c2a-kde3 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu4 KDE3 mime library
If one man could repackage that, why could the kde team not?
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wow, brilliant. Very good information.
I've been working a bit with ubuntu/kubuntu to get the feel of them, and because my friend's really don't like the debian upgrade cycle of continuous du's, coupled with breaks and failures, so I gave ubuntu a go, and it seems fine, in the kubuntu form.
But kde4 continues to be just barely good enough for normal use, not yet good enough for advanced use, not until 4.5 I'd guess will it really be a full drop in replacement for kde3.
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their keyring (might change) as posted https://launchpad.net/~kde3-maintainers/+archive/ppa
:: Code ::apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 44869960
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I recently wrote to the maintainer to report success on squeeze. He replied that (his project's) official Debian support is under consideration after the next stable Ubuntu release and that only minor tweaks should be necessary.
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I for the life of me cannot figure out how to add the needed repositories to apt so it will pull and install the KDE3 packages??
What is the proper line to add to apt sources?
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OK, I figured how to add the repository, next major problem with this tutorial is what is the command to add the kde3 I tried installing the kdebase-kde3 package but it errors:
Depends: kdebase-kio-plugins-kde3 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdesktop-kde3 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: konqueror-nsplugins-kde3 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: konqueror-kde3 but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ksmserver-kde3 but it is not going to be installed
Recommends: kdebase-runtime-data-common-kde3 but it is not going to be installed"
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I tried installing kdesktop-kde3 and got the following dependency error:
Package libxxf86misc1 has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list
so I googled for it and downloaded from debian lenny and dpkg -i
again progress with the piece by piece install of kde3
amarok install had a problem needing libmysqlclient15off
so I downloaded the lenny version from debian, dpkg again...
viola got kde3 on squeeze just logged in and I would say first that it seems snappier than under the lenny kernel.
I will post more if I have more to say ;-)
Thanks for your great work with the repackaging, I hope I have contributed to your tutorial importing things that were missing to complete the process, for the next soul who is burdened by the dumbing of the kde interface in version 4.
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kde3 seems to run kde4 apps just fine so those that you can tolerate that are already loaded with kebian squeeze seem to work OK, you will not need to install thier kde3 original counterparts!
I am installing amarok-kde3 as the kde4 version has gone the way of gnome (lets just remove all the configuration ability from the users they are stupid anyway) please pardon my candor about kde4 maby I will try it again at about kde4.9, for now it is a real burn that has reduced my productivity.
But I do appreciate the new kernel in squeeze and how it runs on my acer laptop.
Real pleased to have kde3 back on a squeeze kernel
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Greetings teknomage2012, good to see someone taking interest here. I too find recent kernels very good, I run the latest liquorix. Apart from that I'm finding more annoyances than amazing improvements in Squeeze/sid lately.
Yes, the kde3 core packages you quote depend on libxxf86misc1. That has recently disappeared from squeeze/sid, I found out the other day doing a chroot build. I got the most recent libxxf86misc1 from snapshot.debian.net. There were no installation or dependency problems.
My squeeze-kde3 continues to run well with no upgrade issues so far. Htop shows a few % cpu and under 200mb ram in "idle" state. It runs adequately on my older hardware (athlon xp3200+, 1gb ram)
Kde3 will be around for as long as people want to use it and there is someone to maintain it. Other desktops will evolve in the meantime but for many of us the alternatives are not yet as good.
The sources.list (.d if you use it, it's not compulsory) entry:
:: Code ::deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kde3-maintainers/ppa/ubuntu/ karmic main
Other issues will probably surface in time, hopefully easily fixable, could maybe be posted here as and when. I will try to do chroot builds from time to time and keep logs.
Another issue: if you want to use KDM (kdm-kde3) it does not work as installed. /etc/init.d/kdm-kde3 links to /lib/init/upstart-job, probably an Ubuntu difference. I tried removing that link, copying /opt/bin/kdm to /etc/init.d/kdm-kde3, changing references in that script to /opt/bin/kdm, then used sysv-rc-conf to activate it. That worked although smxi gave "kdm not found" warnings. Maybe it's better to use GDM (which for me found everything without intervention) and do a manual check for X is closed before upgrade.
Thanks for the repackaging are almost entirely to Timothy Pearson https://launchpad.net/~kde3-maintainers/+archive/ppa
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For some reason I am unable to edit the above post.
:: Quote ::copying /opt/bin/kdm to /etc/init.d/kdm-kde3
is incorrect, the init script was copied from a Lenny system, edited and manually linked to /etc/rc*.d with appropriate K01 and S99 prefixes
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