Devil leaves aptosid

[anticapitalista]

More trouble in the world of aptosid.

A shame really.

aptosid.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1052

[deach]

ya, this one took me by surprise.....Man what's next?

[techAdmin]

did you note this: I wish aptosid a future

in his goodbye? That speaks volumes. Not a good future, not success, but just a future.

Clearly the ongoing hostility against real users, which I also learned of firsthand from slh, among others, seems to have grown even worse, judging by devil's words there.

But this is why I left that project too, it's impossible to deal with those individuals, especially the ones or one that devil is talking about... that guy, I assume I know who it is, has been a cancer in that group, and in every other group he's been a part of. Of course there could be others there too that are taking on that role more, so it's hard to know which of the core guys he's talking about, it could be any one of maybe 4 or 5 of them.

[reiner]

well,
its really sad to see devil leaving. But I guess there is no other choice form him lately.
Probably aptosid might end as a comunity of two people. One who bakes strange kernels and another one (living in austria afaik) dancing around him :-D
Not too much useable coming out of that I expect


regards

reiner

[techAdmin]

I stayed in that project one year too long, for the sake of the users, but that year almost destroyed me, it was a total horror. I can't tell you how bad those guys are in private, it's just not something most people can actually comprehend.

devil stayed far too long, I tried to talk sense into him when I left but he was too engrained in the groupthink at that point. You only have one life, you really need to not waste it with or on negative bad people.

[deach]

Yes I saw that. I guess at some point I'll have to do "something". Wasn't there a thread about loosing all the "sidux"(now would be aptosid) packages and going straight debian? If so can someone direct me to that please?

I have like nine installs of that out there floating around...

[techAdmin]

I like their apt preferences defaults, I'd save those, just copy the file names to something else in their directories, following the conventions.

Run this first, to see what would be removed, then run the second one

:: Code ::

dpkg -l | grep -E '(aptosid|sidux)'  |  awk '{print $2}'

apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | grep -E '(aptosid|sidux)'  |  awk '{print $2}')

Of course, install a non slh kernel first, boot into it, so you can dump all that stuff.

One thing that really turned me off with sidux/aptosid is that ALL the installs I helped others with died, period. Useless for real world users in my opinion, and I was only able to keep the ones I directly maintain running by complicated scripting via smxi etc, which isn't realistic long term. I consider the project of a sid based distro to be a failure, and I agree with Debian and LMDE that Testing is the correct base for a rolling release, coupled with a tiny extra repo to handle stuff needed that doesn't get from sid to testing.

[deach]

I have one three year old sidux install still out there, never been touched. The people moved and I've not seen the laptop since. It's still working. I don't know of course about some of the installs I did but of the 8 others I did for other people afaik they're still going. (several I see from time to time and update myself when they come by)...

Now then I'm not sure I understand about the apt defaults. I don't really see anything in /etc/apt I'd need to move. Also I'm guessing this will leave me with just a "pure" (less anything non-free) install? Any recommendation on the kernel?

I know for installs I've gotten pretty good at the aptosid ones. Anything else that quick? (that you can point me to I honestly have not looked) but I think I'm ready to put the life jackets on now.....ship staying afloat doesn't look too promising.

Thanks,
Deach

[jiro]

:: techAdmin wrote ::

One thing that really turned me off with sidux/aptosid is that ALL the installs I helped others with died, period. Useless for real world users in my opinion, and I was only able to keep the ones I directly maintain running by complicated scripting via smxi etc, which isn't realistic long term. I consider the project of a sid based distro to be a failure, and I agree with Debian and LMDE that Testing is the correct base for a rolling release, coupled with a tiny extra repo to handle stuff needed that doesn't get from sid to testing.

fwiw, I have been running pure sid on two different boxes for over a year. both were installed from the debian business card iso, choosing the sid install. the only sidux/aptosid stuff there is, is ceni and also slh's kernel (the liquorix kernel won't install on either on my boxes, not in the last 2 or 3 months)
no major problems during this time. I maintain with smxi every 2 or 3 weeks, making sure that nothing drastic will be removed when dist-upgrading.

[reiner]

hm,
maybe I should give it a try too in an virtual box for starter. Seems to get high time for some experiments. :-)

reagrds

reiner