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techAdmin
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I'd call that a bug, corrected now, thanks for the sharp lookout.
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drb
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There are some replacement kde packages where 4 (or 6 in my case) packages need to be let go . . . but the pre-du-package check puts them on hold preventing the kde 4.7 upgrade to go ahead - all looks OK with the upgrade now
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which packages? do you remember?

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apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-data kdebase-workspace-bin
kdebase-workspace-bin:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.6.5-4
  Version table:
     4:4.6.5-4 0
        500 http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ unstable/main i386 Packages
        200 http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
kdebase-workspace-data:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.6.5-4
  Version table:
     4:4.6.5-4 0
        500 http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ unstable/main i386 Packages
        200 http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
kdebase-workspace:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4:4.6.5-4
  Version table:
     4:4.6.5-4 0
        500 http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ unstable/main i386 Packages
        200 http://mirror.peer1.net/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages


these are the only kde holds I am aware of in smxi currently, and they are all in apt now. None should trigger a hold because their version numbers match.
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drb
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These were the packages that needed to be removed for the sid upgrade to kde 4.7 :

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The following packages will be REMOVED:
   kdebase-data (4.6.5-1)
   kdebase-runtime-data (4.6.5-1)
   kdebase-workspace-data (4.6.5-4)
   kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins (4.6.5-4)
   libplasmaclock4abi1 (4.6.5-4)
   libtaskmanager4abi1 (4.6.5-4)

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ckosloff
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Acer modules in smxi are missing in apt.
Let me explain: there is an error in an Acer Aspire machine: nouveau misaligned register, but I am not reporting it here yet, stillhave to research it, then maybe check on Debian forums or report bug.
The issue that is relevant to smxi is that I tried to load the acer kernel modules from smxi to try to solve and got the above notice.
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all those modules used to be in apt, but most are now built into the kernel. Rather than try to track each version of debian, I just added in a check to see if it's in apt, if not, shows you message.

But I think most of these are gone now, so can probably be removed.

However, if the package is gone from stable, testing, and sid, it's safe to say it's gone.
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the latest skype has a new dependency. could you add it to the initial installation of skype so we don't need to get the error and confirm that we want to install it. thank you.
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--2012-12-15 17:42:02--  http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb-32
Resolving www.skype.com (www.skype.com)... 78.141.177.158
Connecting to www.skype.com (www.skype.com)|78.141.177.158|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
Location: http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb [following]
--2012-12-15 17:42:02--  http://download.skype.com/linux/skype-debian_4.1.0.20-1_i386.deb
Resolving download.skype.com (download.skype.com)... 77.109.171.128, 77.109.171.160
Connecting to download.skype.com (download.skype.com)|77.109.171.128|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 30688192 (29M) [application/octet-stream]
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Skype deb download was successful. Beginning installation of new skype.
Removing old skype version.
Installing new skype.

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  libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4 qdbus
Suggested packages:
  libicu48 qt4-qtconfig
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  libmng1 libqt4-core libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer libqt4-gui libqt4-network
  libqt4-opengl libqt4-script libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4
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dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype:
 skype depends on libqtwebkit4 (>= 2.1.0~2011week13); however:
  Package libqtwebkit4 is not installed.

dpkg: error processing skype (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
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dark-D , that's now been updated, libqtwebkit4 added to skype dependencies preinstall, thanks.
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dark-D
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me, again.
didn't want to bother you, but out of my laziness to start in init 3 here it is. i use nodm, so if i start smxi from desktop x gets stopped and then restarted by nodm.
in tty1 i have smxi and in tty7 i have x, is there a workaround for this?

edit1: i found this techpatterns.com/forums/about2006.html&highlight=nodm and i still have slim in /etc/X11/default-display-manager . let me remove it.
edit2: that did the trick. it stops x for good.
i miss when smxi would jump from the gui terminal to tty1 in root. or have i dreamed of such a feature?
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you didn't quite dream the start smxi in X and have it then run in tty 1, but that was never an idea that was successfully implemented, it's brutally hard to do it, I won't say it's impossible but nobody involved at that time, and quite a few good people looked at the problem, were able to reach an actually acceptable user friendly intuitive solution.

There's actually still a function block in smxi that was left from those early efforts, but the bottom line is, you can't start an application in a virtual terminal in X and then kick it out cleanly to say tty 1 out of X.

There's a lot of reasons for that, one being the need to login to the console, but there's a lot more problems.

So yes, you did dream it, but I suspect if you've been around a long time, you actually may remember the efforts to achieve that goal, but didn't remember that they were totally dumped because there was no actual way to do it.

I think the gotcha is in the 'virtual' part of running a virtual terminal, plus apps actually should not be able to jump from one tty to another.

Maybe one day someone will come up with a clean way to do that, but nobody could in the past, so I gave up on it totally. I think we did get it to the point where it would actually be running, but it wasn't correctly interactive, nor did things like ctrl c work, so in terms of safety and usability, it was a no go. Was fun to try though.

So ctrl alt f1 is the way to go, to get out of X.

Note that of course, you can easily start services, say, apache, gpm, or whatever that are not interactive in X then have them running out of x, that's pretty much unrelated, the gotcha comes with interactive apps.
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